This week's report by STEVE KOSTECKE with UKULA magazine's ROSIE AIELLO
UKULA Interview with ULA Co-founder
The international culture e-mag UKULA recently interviewed Underground Literary Alliance members Steve Kostecke & Jeff Potter. This is the full unabridged interview w/ Steve. Part Two with Jeff Potter will be online next week.
1. Who exactly are your targets for criticism and why?
SK: A few specifics would be: Ricky Moody (an already-wealthy writer) for applying for and accepting a $35,000 Guggenhiem grant (which he cluelessly had no qualms about accepting); McSweeney’s Quarterly Concern (a literary magazine, not a zine) for being awarded Best Zine by the Firecracker Alternative Books Awards; the National Endowment for the Arts for awarding Jonathan Franzen (a very wealthy writer) $20,000 (which he admitted he shouldn’t have applied for and, because of this, claimed to give the money to an artist friend – in violation of NEA rules); Grant foundations like the Guggenheim and NEA that declare “monetary awards are not based on financial need”; David Eggers for anonymously slamming the ULA at amazon.com by accusing us of making anonymous negative critiques of his friends’ books (which the ULA does not do – we do nothing anonymously), but a glitch revealed who he was and he ended being the one guilty of the accusation (this story was reported by the New York Times); and there are many others that can be accessed at our website, literaryrevolution.com.
2. What is the purpose of your protests/ criticisms?
SK: Besides righteous indignation, to get attention. We have no connections and no money. We’re a group of nobodies daring to get in the face of the controllers and make demands.
3. What inspired you to take on the cause of fighting corruption in the literary mainstream? Was there a specific event/events?
SK: Originally the ULA was meant to be a literary/aesthetic movement that brought the zine scene up into the corporate/mainstream press. Karl Wenclas was the one who turned the members on to the corruption that was happening at the upper echelons of the publishing realm. Once we discovered that Rick Moody was awarded $35,000 in 2000, we met together and signed a protest against this. We sent the petition throughout the zine/underground community and the literary mainstream (writers/editors) for further signatures. Only zinesters/undergrounders signed it.
4. Have you ever been or tried to be part of the literary mainstream? Were you burned by corporate/academic publishers?
SK: Before I knew about the zine scene, I sent a book out to several publishers. One of them asked for the entire manuscript but after that they had no further interest. This isn’t an example of “getting burned” – it’s just run-of-the-mill rejection. A knee -jerk accusation the ULA often gets is that we’re on a personal vendetta because the big-time publishers are too blind to perceive the brilliance of our writings. The thing is: the more you learn about corporate publishing, the more you understand the rottenness at its core. A society can’t have a literature – or any art, for that matter – that has to get approval from MBA gate- keepers programmed by profit margins. Books have always had their business side, but since the nearly complete conglomeratization of publishing over the past couple decades, books of quality or significance are no longer allowed to be underwritten by big- sellers. The result has been: you end up with a lame, stagnant, professionalized lit.
5. Do you think the writing coming out of underground zines are better than that that is commercially published? Why?
SK: This was why we decided to organize the literary zine scene in the first place. Yes, a lot of zines are better – when they are better. There’s a lot of crap in the zine scene, but when they’re good they’re so much better than what you can experience from the tomes displayed on the front table at chain bookstores. But it also comes down to: what do you want from your literature? Do you not want to be taken one step outside of your “comfort zone”? Do you not desire for the boat to get rocked? If so, stick to the commercial stuff which has already been sifted through and approved for your consumption.
6. What would happen to underground literature if it were to become mainstream?
SK: It would be time to drop it, let the imitators perpetuate it (that’s what MFAs in Creative Writing are all about), and move on to whatever’s next.
7. What are the advantages of Independent publishing over corporate/academic publishing?
SK: You’re able to put out exactly what you want in the indie/do- it-yourself press – in other words, it’s expression in its purest form.
8. What, specifically, is wrong with contemporary mainstream literature (perhaps explain what the ULA means by the irrelevancy and lack of integrity in literature)?
SK: By “irrelevancy” we mean that the lit realm has become far too elite and focused on viewpoints from those at the pinnacle of the pyramid (or to viewpoints internalized by those at the peak). The mainstream is far too top-down and we want to make it much more bottom-up. By “lack of integrity” we mean the nature of awards (which are given to the well-off), the awards process (writers sitting on panels and awarding their friends), the content of what’s being produced (writings stemming from the hermetically- sealed world of first-world suburbia), and the character of the writers themselves (like Eggers and his anonymous attack on us).
9. More importantly, what are these failings of mainstream lit. doing to society?
SK: They snuff out the alternative and progressive voices/choices that are essential to a democratic society – especially as regards this phase of democratic society that we currently find ourselves victim to.
10. What is the purpose of literature? (Is there room for an author to be self-gratifying in his work?)
SK: The ULA has an aesthetic based on intense vicarious experience and social change. We praise writers like Bukowski, Steinbeck, Hemingway, Frank Norris, and a whole host of other “red-skins.” Any writer is free to write whatever she or he wants, though, for whatever purpose. The ULA doesn’t seek to exclude. What we want is to be included.
11. In A Room of One's Own, Virginia Woolf (though a feminist herself), argued that the women's movement was counter- productive to women's success in literature: women writers spent their time ranting about their disadvantaged position and gender- based injustices, rather than devoting that time and energy to developing their craft. Do you think there is merit in this statement, and do you think it applies in any way to the ULA?
SK: If she’s saying that a woman’s success in literature outweighs the Women’s Movement, that’s like saying – in today’s slant – that it’s more important for a specific category of person to have success in the lit realm than for humanity as a whole to benefit from the Global Justice Movement. These movements are far more important than whether or not a certain gender/race gets the go- ahead from a pack of bean-counters at the headquarters of a conglomerate. One of the most important writers today, Arundhati Roy, knows this: she became the darling of the literary world and could have easily kept cashing in on her accolades and fame but instead set off on a course of the highest worth. The ULA supports progressive cultural change as well, since we perceive that the current corporate culture is at the root of too many problems (read Karl “King” Wenclas’s blog for more on this at kingwenclas.blogspot.com).
12. For what are the members of the ULA known best?
SK: Probably for our bravado and brouhaha. We’re aggressive self-promoters and have no intentions of backing down.